Starling Tribune - Season 5 Edition – Spectre Of The Gun (A CW Network Arrow Television Show Fan Podcast) #140

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The Official Arrow Podcast of the Gonna Geek Network

Episode: “Spectre of the Gun” [Season 5 Episode 13]

Air Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017

Director: Kristin Windell

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0934663/?ref_=ttfc_fc_dr1

1x Arrow | editor: 38x Arrow, 10x Blindspot

Writer: Marc Guggenheim

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/?ref_=ttfc_fc_wr4

Executive producer: Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow | writer: 12x Arrow | 7x Legends

Promo: http://comicbook.com/dc/2017/02/09/arrow-season-5-episode-13-spectre-of-the-gun-photos-and-trailer/

Weekly Ratings

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating

Arrow

01 Legacy 5-Oct-16 1.89

02 The Recruits 12-Oct-16 1.94

03 A Matter Of Trust 19-Oct-16 1.79

04 Penance 26-Oct-16 1.87

05 Human Target 2-Nov-16 1.61

06 So It Begins 9-Nov-16 1.95

07 Vigilante 16-Nov-16 1.86

08 Invasion 30-Nov-16 3.55

09 What We Leave Behind 7-Dec-16 1.94

10 Who Are You 25-Jan-17 1.68

11 Second Chances 1-Feb-17 1.91

12 Bratva 8-Feb-17 1.61

13 Spectre Of The Gun 15-Feb-17 1.66

14 The Sin-Eater 22-Feb-17

15 Fighting Fire with Fire 1-Mar-17

16 Checkmate TBD

17 Kapot TBD

Legends Of Tomorrow

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating

01 Out Of Time 13-Oct-2016 3.01

02 Justice Society of America 20-Oct-2016 2.83

03 Shogun 27-Oct-2016 2.71

04 Abominations 3-Nov-2016 1.75

05 Compromised 10-Nov-2016 1.77

06 Outlaw Country 17-Nov-2016 1.85

07 Invasion 1-Dec-2016 3.39

08 The Chicago Way 8-Dec-2016 2.00

09 Raiders Of The Lost Art 24-Jan-2016 1.74

10 The Legion Of Doom 31-Jan-2017 1.78

11 Turncoat 7-Feb-17 1.89

Supergirl

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating

01 The Adventures of Supergirl 10-Oct-16 3.06

02 The Last Children of Krypton 17-Oct-16 2.66

03 Welcome to Earth 24-Oct-16 2.65

04 Survivors 31-Oct-16 2.22

05 Crossfire 7-Nov-16 2.47

06 Changing 14-Nov-16 2.35

07 The Darkest Place 21-Nov-16 2.61

08 Medusa 28-Nov-16 3.53

09 Supergirl Lives 23-Jan-17 2.65

10 We Can Be Heroes 30-Jan-17 2.35

11 The Martian Chronicles 6-Feb-17 2.4

12 Luthors 13-Feb-17 2.52

THE FLASH

Episode # / Episode Title / Episode Air / Date / Rating

01 Flashpoint 4-Oct-16 3.17

02 Paradox 11-Oct-16 2.80

03 Magenta 18-Oct-16 2.67

04 The New Rogues 25-Oct-16 2.80

05 Monster 1-Nov-16 2.77

06 Shade 15-Nov-16 3.01

07 Killer Frost 22-Nov-16 2.95

08 Invasion! 29-Nov-16 4.15

09 The Present 6-Dec-16 3.14

10 Borrowing Problems From The Future 24-Jan-17 2.68

11 Dead Or Alive 31-Jan-17 3.06

12 Untouchable 7-Feb-17 2.94

Part 1: The Plot, Themes and Characters

What was the overall theme for this episode / What was the link to the ep. name
- Debate about guns
Fight scenes & Stunts: Share your thoughts
- Guns, guns, and more guns
Flashbacks: Share your thoughts
- Rene’s backstory
  - Had a wife a daughter
  - Kept gun in home in a safe; would take it to the Glades, but that broke the house rule
  - Wife used drugs
  - After going to game with daughter, wife’s dealer has gun to her head, owes him money
  - Rene talks his way to the safe, daughter spooks guy, Rene fires, guy falls, his gun goes off, killing wife
  - Child in foster care; decides to become Wild Dog after seeing footage of Green Arrow killing Darhk
Ollie:
- Has to step up as Mayor
- “Thoughts and prayers” press conference fail
- Works with Councilwoman and Rene to draft gun ordinance
- Pulls a Batman move - hangs Bertinelli upside down and threatens
- Vigilante shows up and kills Bertinelli; Ollie calls him a criminal and a killer
- Are we adding to the cycle of violence?
Diggle
- Roughs up lowlifes for intel
- Tells Dinah that wanting a normal life is good, to take small steps
Thea
- Vomits a little at the thought of Ollie with Susan Williams
- Makes Ollie step up as Mayor
Felicity
- Keeps on working while others debate around her
- Using Pandora to find Claybourne’s mistress
- Talking about things doesn’t help unless it has a purpose and meaning; debating is not enough
Quentin Lance
- Cops want fewer people have guns
- Makes Ollie step up as Mayor
- Feels bad not realizing guy was the shooter before it began
Curtis
- Guns need to regulated for safety reasons
- Need to talk about things in a healthy way to come up with solutions
- Finds out where Rene’s daughter is
Rene / Wild Dog
- Officially Lance’s assistant
- If bad guys have guns, then I need guns too
- Guns are easy to buy, even if it is illegal for him to own one (this is true; a dishonorable discharge is considered to be a felony; https://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2010/09/dishonorable-discharge-and-nfa.html)
- Has given up on seeing daughter
Dinah Drake / Black Canary
- Thinks it’s okay for civilians to have guns for protection
- Not sure how to have a normal life after being on a mission of vengeance for three years
- Gets a studio apartment (with a garden!) and applies to SCPD
Artemis
- Traitor
Ragman
- Gone
A. Adrian Chase
- Shot in shoulder during attack on City Hall
- Wants Ollie to use personal relationship with Susan to get her to back off about Malone
Susan Williams
- Absent this week
Bratva
- Absent this week
Prometheus
- New developments:
  - The search for Claybourne’s mistress has been going on for 3 months; narrowed to Illinois; Felicity is impressed by her ability to hide
- Known facts:
  - 30 years old?
  - Ollie’s past and that he is Arrow; knows about The List
  - How to fight like Ollie; studied with person Ollie did while in Russia
  - Has a tolerance to Diazepam (Valium); can shake off getting sedated
  - Where and how to get Ollie’s old arrows to make his own
  - Team Flash - how they keep metas at Star Labs; Black Siren
  - Sara, the Legends, the Waverider, time travel, and parallel worlds
  - Faked Lyla’s voice to lure Diggle
- Michelle’s List O’Suspects: (I’m keeping this active until the mask comes off)
  - Tommy Merlyn
  - Susan Williams (investigating Ollie)
  - Robert Queen - too old?
  - Claybourne’s son
  - Adrian Chase (but more likely to become Vigilante)
  - Helena Bertinelli
  - Isabel Rochev
  - Mckenna Hall
  - Shado
  - Talia al Ghul
  - Roy - too young?
  - Some guy from the Bratva
  - Some new character
Lingering Questions / Issues
- Where does Ollie live?
- Third mention of Bertinelli - now head of family dead - will we see Helena?

ARROW NEWS:

Spoiler Room: Scoop on The Flash, Once Upon a Time, Supergirl, and more (Date: 10 Feb 2017)
Will Oliver find out what’s really going on with Felicity on Arrow soon? —
Not for several episodes, but you may be surprised by his reaction. “He knows that she’s into something, and he knows that she doesn’t want to tell him about it, so he’s dealing with that in his own way,” Stephen Amell tells me. “For Felicity, it’s not something that she and Oliver discuss until they have what is actually an adult conversation about it in [a future episode].”Did you get any Flash scoop on Killer Frost? —
When asked how Cisco would try to help Caitlin quell her Killer Frost tendencies, Carlos Valdes dropped a truth bomb: “Caitlin has some secrets of her own that are going to come to light and are going to change not just the dynamic of the team, but also her own feelings about her dynamic within the team,” he says. “It all comes to a head.” Make of that what you will.
Link:http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/10/spoiler-room-flash-once-upon-time-arrow/
Vigilante Attacks Oliver Queen in "Fighting Fire With Fire" (Date: 10 Feb 2017)
He's gone after Team Arrow before -- but always in the name of his own ultra-violent code of justice. So why is Vigilante trying to kill Mayor Oliver Queen? Fans will find out on March 1, when the DC antihero returns to menace city hall. Synopsis: Oliver (Stephen Amell) faces his biggest challenge yet as mayor. Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) continues down her dark path with Helix. After Vigilante attacks Oliver while he’s acting as the mayor, Diggle (David Ramsey) leads the team in a mission to stop Vigilante once and for all.
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/11/vigilante-attacks-oliver-queen-in-fighting-fire-with-fire/
Arrow Showrunners On Why They Wanted To Do A Gun Violence Episode (Date: 12 Feb 2017)
"Well, we went into season 5 wanting to do an episode about an issue," Guggenheim said during a screening of the episode. "I'm old, so what does this mean? It means that I grew up on St. Elsewhere and Picket Fences and LA Law. I grew up in a time where it was commonplace, like literally every week, for a one-hour drama to tackle the issues of the day. Somewhere along the line we got away from that -- like, the whole industry got away from that. And now you've got like Blackish and Carmichael Show, but as far as network dramas are concerned? Really not tackling current events, current issues. So we went into season 5 with the desire to. It's the fifth season; we've hopefully earned the freedom to, in 23 episodes of television, you can have 22 episodes of candy and one episode of vegetables. We sort of felt that gun violence felt like the right topic, because of its topicality but also because of the level of gun violence that's on Arrow. We could have done an episode on abortion, but that's not really where the show lives, so gun violence sort of felt like the right thing to tackle."
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/13/arrow-showrunners-on-why-they-wanted-to-do-a-gun-violence-episod/
Arrow Boss Explains Thea's Absence, Obstacle Facing Laurel's Next Return (Date: 14 Feb 2017)
“Everyone’s like, ‘Where’s Thea? Where’s Thea?’ Willa’s [contracted for] 14 out of 23 episodes this year,” Guggenheim revealed. “She’s not in all 23. That’s not her contract. We’ve had to write around that.” Contractual matters also may prove a hurdle in bringing Katie Cassidy back for another encore as one Laurel or another, even though Cassidy (as reported over the summer) entered the season with one of those #DCTV-wide deals that theoretically would allow her to pop up on Arrow or any of its many offspring.
“We have an idea for how to see [Katie] again, but we haven’t made a deal with her,” Guggenheim shared. “She’s not a series regular anymore, so we have to make a contract with her, and she’s got to be available. We haven’t had those conversations. But… we know exactly what we do want to do.
Link:http://tvline.com/2017/02/13/arrow-season-5-katie-cassidy-contract-status-willa-holland/
Will Arrow Bring Back Suicide Squad Characters? Here's What David Ramsey Says (Date: 13 Feb 2017)
David Ramsey recently spoke with CinemaBlend about all things John Diggle, and he told me this about Digg's future with the Suicide Squad on Arrow: “I can say that we have all the elements. Part of what John Diggle brings to the team is his relationship with ARGUS through his wife Lyla. We're waiting to see how that plays itself out. Diggle was freed last week, and Oliver said to him 'You can go home and hug your wife and son.' So that's a real viable part of Diggle that we have always seen on camera, but it would be nice to see more because he's married to the leader of the Suicide Squad. What does that play out? How does that look? What are those conversations like? We have all the elements of it... I think we have the makings of it. ARGUS is a real viable part of our whole universe, of Legends, Flash, and Arrow. And Diggle just so happens to be married to the leader of ARGUS, so it's right there ready for the picking.”
Link:http://www.cinemablend.com/television/1624570/will-arrow-bring-back-suicide-squad-characters-heres-what-david-ramsey-says
Arrow EPs Tease Thea's Role Going Forward in Season 5 (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
"She’s headed in a direction that’s very similar to where her mother was before she was killed in Season 2. We’re excited about it." revealed Wendy Mericle. "I’m actually really excited about her storyline because we’re taking her to a place where she’s been dealing with all of these issues the same way Oliver has, with her bloodlust and with her other elements of her past. And this season’s going to find her in a similar place but for very different reasons. There’s gonna be a great scene coming up between Oliver and Thea that’s one of my favorites on the show."
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/16/arrow-thea-queen-willa-holland-season-five/
Arrow EP Teases Prometheus's Next Move (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
According to one of the show's executive producers, however, that is all about to change with next week's episode, entitled 'The Sin-Eater'. Marc Guggenheim recently revealed that not only will the villain appear in the February 22nd episode, but his past actions will start to connect. Guggenheim wants fans to keep an eye out for the conclusion of the episode, as it will particularly reveal parts of the villain's motive. "The episode ends, I think, with sort of the next key move in Prometheus’ grand plan."
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/16/arrow-marc-guggenheim-prometheus/
Arrow EP: Oliver Will Make Star City Better -- As Mayor (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
"One of the things we went into season five with the mindset of is Oliver’s mayor, so without it turning into The West Wing, how are we going to find ways to have Oliver be active as mayor, and to everyone’s surprise, be a good mayor, end up being a good mayor," explained executive producer Marc Guggenheim during a screening of tonight's episode, "Spectre of the Gun." "And you’ll start to see, actually – and this is true in next week’s episode, in episode 14 – Thea’s going to make a good case to Oliver, of all people, for all the things he’s accomplished as mayor, and you start to see like, oh wait, in the first 13 episodes, he actually kind of did some stuff. And he’s not done yet. Obviously, the season’s not done yet. But we definitely went into the season with the goal of showing that Oliver is actually much better at this job than you might expect."
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/15/arrow-ep-oliver-will-make-star-city-better--as-mayor/
Arrow: Marc Guggenheim On What Makes Oliver Different From his Villains (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
This season on Arrow, Ollie has been even more affected by that conundrum. He constantly finds himself toe-ing the line between what's right and wrong. According to Marc Guggenheim, Oliver is going to continue that struggle throughout this season. Not only will the rest of this season see Oliver explore that struggle, but the show will also explore what that means for Arrow's entire world. "One of the things we are doing in the back half of Season 5 is really getting underneath that and what that means, not just in terms of morality but in terms of psychology -- specifically Oliver’s psychology. There’s things about Oliver’s killing that you have yet to learn."
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/16/arrow-marc-guggenheim-oliver-and-villains/
The New Black Canary Gets A Mask In These New Images From Next Week's ARROW (Date: 16 Feb 2017)
With Laurel Lance unlikely to return at any point in the near future, Dinah Drake looks set to take over the Black Canary mantle in Arrow. However, The CW series is taking a slow burn approach to that, but she finally gets a mask in these new images.
Link:https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/arrow/the-new-black-canary-gets-a-mask-in-these-new-images-from-next-weeks-a149012

GENERAL DC TV NEWS

THE FLASH SET PHOTOS HINT AT MUSICAL’S 1940s SETTING (Date: 11 Feb 2017)
The latest photos from the British Columbia set of “The Flash” suggest the musical crossover with “Supergirl” may partly take place during the 1940s. Snapped on the streets of New Westminster, a city just southeast of Vancouver, the images reveal rows of 1940s-era automobiles, as well as actors Jesse L. Martin, Victor Garber and John Barrowman in period attire. According to Hollywood North.Buzz, the scenes were to involve car chases with gangsters, but no singing.
Link:http://www.cbr.com/the-flash-set-photos-hint-at-musicals-1940s-setting/
The Flash: First Look at Grodd's Nemesis Solovar! (Date: 16 Feb 2017)
The CW has now released a new batch of photos from "Attack on Gorilla City," including the first two images of Solovar. As you can see, Solovar — who is being voiced by Keith David (The Thing, Community) — is being depicted as a giant, white gorilla. That's a noticeable departure from his comic book counterpart, who looks like a regular gorilla but wears a fancy red cape. Created by writer John Broome and artist Carmine Infantino, Solovar made his first appearance in The Flash #106 alongside Gorilla Grodd and Pied Piper.
Link:http://comicbook.com/2017/02/16/the-flash-first-look-at-grodds-nemesis-solovar-/

GREEN ARROW COMICS & TOY NEWS

First Look At Mattel's WONDER WOMAN Toy Line Includes Diana, Steve Trevor, Queen Hippolyta And More (Date: 13 Feb 2017)
Ahead of this month's Toy Fair Mattel (via EW) has debuted some pics of its upcoming Wonder Woman toyline. The Barbie-like action figures include Diana in various different outfits (and on a horse), as well as her mother Queen Hippolyta and Steve Trevor.
Link:https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/first-look-at-mattels-wonder-woman-toy-line-includes-diana-steve-a148903
DC Rebirth: [SPOILER] Returns in Batman and the Flash's Watchmen Crossover Mystery (Date: 13 Feb 2017)
A mysterious figure in Superman, a mysterious button in the Flash, a returning Wally West in Titans, and an imprisoned Legionnaire in Batman have all contributed clues to the overall mystery, but we’ve yet to see any answers. That’s all set to change with a crossover between the Batman and Flash titles, with Tom King, Jason Fabok, Joshua Williamson, and Howard Porter all set to put the world’s greatest detectives on a path to find out the significance of that blood-stained smiley face. The crossover begins April 19 in Batman #21.
Link: http://comicbook.com/2017/02/13/dc-rebirth-spoiler-returns-in-batman-and-the-flashs-watchmen-mys/
DC Comics To Pay 50% Of Comic Store Ads Playing In Their Local Cinemas (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
DC is working with media buyers National CineMedia (NCM) to help promote comics shops in their local cinemas. NCM will help stores tag their details onto a 15 or 30 second DC Universe: Rebirth ad and place it before appropriate movies playing. Stores can then submit expenses to DC Comics to get reimbursements of up to half their costs.
Link:https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/15/dc-comics-pay-50-comic-store-ads-playing-local-cinemas/
Green Arrow #17 (Preview) (Date: 14 Feb 2017)
* Writer Benjamin Percy | Pencils, Inks, Colors Otto Schmidt | Cover: Juan E. Ferreyra
* Out this week: “EMERALD OUTLAW” finale! The biggest GREEN ARROW epic since the start of the Rebirth era comes to a shattering conclusion when Oliver, Emiko and Black Canary unite against the deadly assassin terrorizing Seattle’s most prominent citizens. But Malcolm Merlyn won’t go down without a fight—even if it takes all of Seattle with him.
Link:http://www.cbr.com/green-arrow-17-3/

FEEDBACK

NEXT EPISODE

Promo for Next Week's: Episode - “The Sin-Eater” (Date: 15 Feb 2017)
Article:https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/dc/arrow/arrow-season-5-episode-14-promo-the-sin-eater-are-these-the-gotham-a148973

Episode: “The Sin-Eater” [Season 5 Episode 14]

Air Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017

Summary: China White, Cupid and Liza Warner break out of Iron Heights and head to Star City for revenge. Oliver tries to bring in the newly formed girl gang but the ACU intervenes mid-fight. To his surprise, they are there to arrest the Green Arrow for the murder of Detective Malone. Meanwhile, Lance feels responsible for the prison break after Warner tells him she heard about him working with Damien Darhk.

Director: Mary Lambert

Writers: Barbara Bloom and Jenny Lynn

IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5607504/?ref_=ttep_ep14

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